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# this is an interesting topic bro....i think any true believer would do 2 things for sure:
1. keep away from the forbidden
2. indulge in the ordained
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...it always intrigues me as to who truly "believe"!
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...and is "believing" distinct from "submitting"?
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i "believe" in god...(atleast i try to)...but there are questions which i do not have answers to, and i try to not think too much about these questions, often leaving them at "subhanaka la AAilma lana illa ma AAallamtana innaka anta alAAaleemu alhakeemu" (2:32)
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...however, there are things i do which i shouldnt be doing...and things which i should do but i dont...,and i really wonder: "can i call myself a muslim?!"
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# another thing...the traditionalists exhort peepz to become "mumins" and not just "muslims"! they seem to suggest that mumin is a level higher than muslim....something which i dont buy...atleast not at the moment!
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what do u and other peepz in here think about this? is mumin really "better" than muslims as traditionalists claim?
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life wrote:
Believer, nonbeliever, muslim, momin, etc etc etc....
I think these words have little to do with reality and whos higher than the other is nothing but an argument and we humans are very good at aruging.
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God is unseen, so its impossible to know anyones belief, be it muslim or anyother. What we see is deeds and we judge from it but not from belief because its unknown.
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One of my friend is an ex-christian, reason? for all bad happenings in world, is in Gods name , so i dont believe in God.
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We talked about hours and he said 'I believe there is someone who runs the stars, earth, water, everything but I will not call him God.
So what is he atheist ?
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ahmedbahgat wrote:
It does not make sense, remeber that our religion name is Islam, that should indicate that this is the upmost objective that all believers should achieve
NO WAY
A Muslim is the hghest level of a believer
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# i agree, bro! going by the quran, the odds are increasingly stacked against any designation other than "muslim" which peepz must strive for! i wonder why the traditionalists are so hung up on "mumin"! why not mukhliseen or muttaqeen?
check out the wikipedia entry for "muslim"....it has the views of a non-muslim "scholar" of islam, who opines that according to quran, "muslim" and "mumin" are seperate terms, with "muslim" meeting the bare minimum requirement, while the "mumin" gives himself, heart and soul, to "faith"!
...ofcourse, the dud is a plain liar...but u have surely seen the munafiqs who adopt the views of non-muslims and propogate it as the correct understanding! : grin :
# salam bro! (-:
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